“Der er i bund og grund tale om at vi, med djævelens vold og magt, har presset vores kultur ned i halsen på et folk, der har helt andre forudsætninger end os selv, og har været/er godt på vej til at ødelægge dem.”

Har grønlænderne intet ansvar selv for dette? Hvad er det for noget “pres”, vi ikke må, det er vel ikke den kritiske dialog, der tænkes på?

Hvilke erfaringer mener den anonyme (for ikke at skrive androgyne) G. Eriksen vi kan overføre fra Grønland til Saudiarabien. Er der nogenh som forsøger at “presse” sauderne til at drikke elefantøl???

Women vs. Women
Amal Zahid • Al-Watan

Some feminine voices are doing a great job in defaming women’s issues in the country. They have mastered the art of provoking people’s feelings against anyone who writes about the inferior social status of women, or the injustice practiced against them in society.

I’m sick and tired of hearing that Saudi women are in fine shape. These people claim that no one is doing them injustice or underestimating their capabilities.

Everything is just perfect, according to them, and everything that is being said is based on rumors. They believe that the issue of liberating women is just a conspiracy to break male dominance and corrupt women, which will eventually lead to the corruption of entire society.

The truth is that these voices use the West as a reference when comparing, reviewing and evaluating. They support their visions with very bizarre research and publications that highlight the failure of women’s movements in spreading peace and building families. These publications also talk about social diseases that accompanied women’s desires to leave home and work after the Industrial Revolution in Europe. These voices panic when the difference between liberating women in the East and West is being addressed. To them, it all boils down to the fact that Islam has given women all their rights.

Anyone who dares to write about the women’s issues is accused of being westernized and secular regardless of what angles are being tackled. Beware of using words such as “empowerment” or “struggle” when writing about issues of women’s liberation. What is sad is that these voices find people who cheer and applaud what they say. It is time to let women stand against women and fight each other.

Så blev jeg uenig med dig… Vi skal bakke op omkring det arbejde der gøres internt i landet, som vi finder frigørende for kvinder - men vi skal ikke presse nogen som helst til noget som helst..

Man kan ikke pådutte andre holdninger de ikke har - Man kan ikke pådutte et land, ej heller hverken kvinde eller mand til at frigøre sig fra noget de ikke anser at være et problem - blot fordi vi med vores øjne har et problem med det..

Jeg kalder det respekt - og med respekt kommer man rigtigt langt.. Jeg kan sammenligne det med at opdrage et barn.

Vil du have at barnet skal udvise respekt for andre, må du starte med at udvise barnet respekt. Skal barnet opdrages til at kunne tænke selvstændigt - skal vi lytte til deres holdninger og tage den gode diskussion med dem (det indebærer naturligvis at børnene har alderen til dette)

Vi kan ikke kræve respekt for at vi i vores land gerne må gøre grin med religioner, endsige lave karrikatur tegninger af Gud i alverdens afskygninger - hvis ikke vi har den respekt for andre lande også. Det er IKKE det samme som at acceptere at der er diktatur og partriarkalske samfund - men det er forståelse for at al forandring kommer indefra - og derfor skal vi bakke op omkring de kvindebevægelser der med livet som indsats kæmper for frigørelse og rettigheder i landet som de ikke har endnu - det gør vi bl.a. ved internationale konventioner, ved at politikkere og foreninger giver udtryk for at handlingerne er uacceptable hver gang vi hører om børn og kvinder der mishandles eller undertrykkes.

Tvang er og bliver aldrig vejen frem.

Herunder en artikel fra en saudisk avis, der ejes af kongehuset. For få år siden var dette en umulighed. Artiklen fordømmer det mandsdominerede saudiske samfund:

“Saudi Woman Is Always Guilty!
Dania Al-Ghalib, Al-Madinah

The Saudi woman is guilty. She is guilty of being born in a male-dominated society. Her fault is that she grows up in a society that stigmatizes her sex as a sin. She is held accountable because society believes she is underaged — even if she is in her 60s — and implements a guardianship system over her as if she were a second-rate citizen. It is very common for a Saudi woman — a widow or a divorcee — to have her young son as her guardian and she needs his written permission to carry out official paperwork. He is in control of her life and her destiny.

The Saudi woman can be blamed for living in a male-dominated society that opposes many rights for women despite the fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) — the best of all humans — consulted a woman and listened to her advice. The Saudi woman is guilty of living in a society that confuses tradition with Islamic obligations and idolizes what it sees as the latter to the extent that when she wants to discuss or object, she is accused of rebellion. Her fault is that society considers her an item of her guardian’s property. He can do anything he desires with her without asking her opinion or even listening to her.

The Saudi woman is born undesired. Everybody wants a male child rather than a female one. This innocent creature is forcibly taught what is prohibited and shameful before even knowing how to speak. She is guilty if she remains silent and guilty if she talks. She is guilty if she is divorced and guilty if she cleaves to her husband and children when someone tries unjustifiably to destroy her marriage. Her only refuge is prison where she has the right to say no. She has lost all her rights and has fought for one that allows her to live only behind bars. Her sin is that she tried to protect her marriage and family. But traditions and customs challenged and destroyed her attempts.

The Saudi woman is guilty of being raped in darkness or in daylight because her society wants her locked in, producing legal children and never leaving her house unless she is dead and of course accompanied by a guardian. She is guilty when brutal beasts tear her body and soul apart, threatening her with weapons and defamation because society believes she subjected herself to them and she deserves what happens to her.

She is guilty because society prohibits her from driving and forces her to live at the mercy of a foreign driver. He might rape her one day or make money by allowing others to rape her, and then she will be the one who is blamed for having put herself in such position and went out with a driver without her legal guardian.

The Saudi woman is guilty because she is part of her guardian’s property even when he is a criminal, serving time in jail and he marries her off to his colleague in prison who is awaiting execution. Society is aware of this and apparently sees no harm in such. In fact, the community blessed this marriage and arranged for them to be legally alone together. And the woman’s fault is that she is the daughter of a criminal.

The Saudi woman is guilty of being haunted by spinsterhood and not accepting “misyar” and all other types of male-invented marriages. She is also guilty if she accepts being abandoned by her husband when he feels tired and bored with her and wants a new wife. She is guilty if she objects to anything and her legal guardian beats her until he breaks her ribs or permanently disfigures her. His right is to beat her and make her obey and listen, even if that means deforming her physical features as a woman and taking away her beauty.

She is guilty when others confiscate her property or real estate by impersonating her, and her greatest sin is that her identity stems from her guardian. The Saudi woman is always guilty and anyone who thinks of dealing with her humanely is a criminal.”

Der er i bund og grund tale om at vi, med djævelens vold og magt, har presset vores kultur ned i halsen på et folk, der har helt andre forudsætninger end os selv, og har været/er godt på vej til at ødelægge dem.

Du kender sikkert til forholdene i SA, når du laver et debatoplæg om det. Du ved jo så sikkert også at SA har sin kvindebevægelse, der arbejder under svære vilkår i et stærkt mandsdomineret samfund. Der sker fremskridt - de er, set med vores øjne, små, med for de saudiske kvinder er de store.

Men uanset hvor mandsdomineret, det er, så er det DERES, og de har deres nationale stolhed, som vi i respekt, skal omgås med stor forsigtighed.

Vi må gribe i egen barm, og droppe bedrevidende fremturen og fordømmelse af alle, der ikke er som os og lever som os.